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[13:07:15] Guest[timmytimmy] :

when does it begin


[13:12:04] Guest[harricot] :

God only knows - or perhaps his brother :)


[13:15:11] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

Damn!


[13:16:03] Guest[rbcoastal1] :

Your mic is hot.


[13:17:22] Invitado[elnegrux] :

lets begin!


[13:17:36] Invitado[elnegrux] :

:D


[13:17:52] Guest[chepe] :

sad, i knew who was talking trash and who about


[13:17:55] Guest[chepe] :

oopsie


[13:19:28] Guest[soitib] :

se cuese


[13:22:36] Invitado[Iglesias_aka_Stalin] :

When the fuck does this start?


[13:23:58] Guest[chepe] :

officially 24 minutes ago


[13:24:06] Guest[chepe] :

but our left here in nyc is disorganized


[13:25:45] Guest[Fidel] :

there is not left here


[13:26:22] Guest[rbcoastal1] :

Well, what is happening?


[13:26:34] Guest[Fidel] :

we have some leftists but no left


[13:26:53] Invitado[ednos] :

Hi from Barcelona SP


[13:27:54] Guest[rbcoastal1] :

Someone needs to pod down the mic. Wasn't Amy Goodman supposed to be doing the intro? Or is this the intro before the intro?


[13:28:31] Invitado[javier_b] :

hi


[13:28:59] Guest[meowy] :

anyone elses stream have cancer?


[13:29:24] Guest[chepe] :

this is rob robinson, an activist from Take Back the Land and formerly of Picture The Homeless and a member of the Left Forum board


[13:29:43] Guest[chepe] :

now he is introducing Amy


[13:31:10] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Syriza, Podemos, ¡venceremos!


[13:31:26] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Spanish people demands CHANGE


[13:31:36] Invitado[Iglesias_aka_Stalin] :

The streaming is shit, it gets frozen every few seconds


[13:31:53] Guest[chepe] :

yeah, freezing on me too


[13:32:29] Invitado[Godfrey] :

the party of the right is doing huge CUTS to the population


[13:32:53] Invitado[slg77] :

Iglesias_aka_stalin :D jaja


[13:33:04] Invitado[Godfrey] :

In Spain we have now a 30% of poor people...


[13:33:19] Invitado[Godfrey] :

it's unbearable


[13:33:30] Guest[rbcoastal1] :

Amy is off point. This is about the EU and banksters. Please intro Podemos.


[13:33:42] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Pablo Iglesias represents CHANGE


[13:34:27] Invitado[MauaBisiani] :

Let's make the dream come true. Podemos! Venceremos!


[13:35:29] Guest[chepe] :

to be fair, Amy Goodman is a tv host and Pablo Iglesias is a tv host, so it's pretty appropriate


[13:38:04] Guest[Fidel] :

Iglesias is a professor


[13:38:21] Guest[meowy] :

audio mode makes it go smoother


[13:38:35] Guest[meowy] :

hope the powerpoint doesnt actually have anything on it


[13:38:46] Invitado[javier_b] :

Iglesias is both a professor and a TV host


[13:38:57] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

How is the stream for people? My stream keeps cutting out.


[13:39:18] Invitado[javier_b] :

Same for me, Jackrabbit


[13:39:27] Invitado[MauaBisiani] :

Experiencing lots of problems with streaming here :(


[13:40:02] Guest[rbcoastal1] :

just do the audiostream, it doesn't cut out. Mic is crackling because it is podded too high.


[13:40:17] Invitado[javier_b] :

Try to switch in preferences to standard quality, it works a bit better


[13:41:11] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

Thanks for the tip.


[13:41:14] Invitado[Rafael] :

Pablo Iglesias PODEMOS!!!!!!


[13:41:34] Guest[chepe] :

podemos!


[13:42:00] Invitado[Rafael] :

PODEMOS WE WILL WIN!!!!!!!!!


[13:42:15] Invitado[MauaBisiani] :

Podemos!!!


[13:42:24] Guest[soitib] :

ll


[13:42:27] Guest[soitib] :

lol


[13:42:31] Invitado[D1111] :

WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH MORE OPORTUNITIES UNTILL CORPORATOCRACY ASUME ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER OUR LIVES DUE TO HAARP AND MK ULTRA [OR WHERE DO YOU THINK THE CRISIS COMES FROM?]... tHIS COULD PROBABLY BE THE LAST RATTLE OF REAL REVOLUTION OR FREEDOM WE ACHIEVE TO SEE... mAKE USE OF IT.


[13:45:00] Invitado[D1111] :

End Borgias... end


[13:45:24] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

PODEMOS!!!


[13:45:45] Guest[meowy] :

timmy timmy


[13:48:19] Invitado[vania] :

no hay imagenes


[13:48:46] Invitado[vania] :

CLARO QUE PODEMOS


[13:49:34] Invitado[javier_b] :

I'm not sure that everyone is able to understand his accent...


[13:49:43] Invitado[Aulen] :

Si hay Vanla.... de los iconos de la barra.... dale al que está junto al altavoz, ese cuadro con un cuadro más pequeño dentro :-)


[13:49:50] Invitado[vania] :

ADELANTE PABLO


[13:50:30] Invitado[vania] :

GRACIAS AULEN


[13:50:37] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

OMG I love this guy!


[13:50:48] Invitado[Aulen] :

You're wellcome Vanla :-)


[13:51:18] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Pablo Iglesias is our hope


[13:51:33] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

What do we need to do to get a Podemos here in the US? I'm ready to sign up!


[13:52:34] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Spain needs decent people like those from Democracy Now


[13:52:34] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Podemos! Yes we can!


[13:52:35] Invitado[javier_b] :

Iglesias won his popularity by attending to political debates in TV


[13:52:38] Invitado[vania] :

SI GODFREY is our hope and our cleaning


[13:52:51] Invitado[vania] :

:)


[13:53:05] Invitado[javier_b] :

It was some time after that when he put his popularity into Podemos


[13:54:17] Guest[chepe] :

he has great left wing credentials


[13:54:25] Guest[meowy] :

Stalin 2


[13:54:28] Guest[chepe] :

which makes me more confident in him


[13:55:25] Guest[Lzelig] :

Has any of you read the Podemos Plan of Government?


[13:56:03] Invitado[javier_b] :

Which PoG, Lzelig?


[13:56:42] Guest[Jackrabbit] :

Link?


[13:57:13] Guest[Lzelig] :

The Government Plan with six major points


[13:57:20] Guest[meowy] :

link


[13:57:39] Invitado[javier_b] :

There's no PoG yet, elections are in November


[13:58:05] Guest[meowy] :

here's a question


[13:58:11] Invitado[Iglesias_aka_Stalin] :

Is really someone understanding him?


[13:58:14] Guest[meowy] :

podemos better going in coalition


[13:58:19] Guest[meowy] :

with psoe


[13:58:29] Guest[meowy] :

or form strong opposition


[13:58:31] Invitado[Aulen] :

There are not Plan of government yet, Lzellg... They are making it. They have some ideas, but not a real Plan of Government.


[13:58:58] Invitado[Aulen] :

They are making it


[13:58:59] Guest[meowy] :

personally i think they should become opposition


[13:59:13] Guest[meowy] :

if PSOE go into coalition with the conservatives


[13:59:15] Guest[chepe] :

that was short


[13:59:19] Guest[chepe] :

fidel castro he is not


[13:59:21] Invitado[MauaBisiani] :

Podemos!!!


[13:59:22] Guest[meowy] :

PSOE support will be utterly fucked


[13:59:34] Guest[meowy] :

and most likely their MPs will join podemos


[13:59:55] Guest[meowy] :

the problem is if the coaliton becomes economically successful


[14:00:10] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

a Podemos in USA would be great not a Obama


[14:00:23] Invitado[javier_b] :

That kind of suppport would be lethal for PSOE, just as happened to PASOK in Greece


[14:00:36] Invitado[Rafael] :

Pablo Iglesias is the new god in Spain!!!


[14:00:56] Guest[meowy] :

yeah exactly


[14:01:00] Invitado[Aulen] :

hehehehe, is not God, Rafael, is our hope :-)


[14:01:08] Guest[meowy] :

which may turn PSOE away


[14:01:08] Invitado[D1111] :

http://podemos.info/programa/


[14:01:16] Guest[meowy] :

really not sure whats going to happen


[14:01:27] Guest[meowy] :

conservative minority would be so unstable


[14:01:31] Guest[Lzelig] :

I read a Documento Funal del Programa Colaborativo. Is that still relevant to Podemos?


[14:01:46] Invitado[D1111] :

60% of the pronosticated votes...


[14:01:59] Invitado[Aulen] :

That link, D111, were for the European ones, not for the future Spanish elections. It's not the same


[14:02:41] Invitado[javier_b] :

Lzelig, that was more of a declaration of principles for the European Parliament


[14:03:00] Invitado[javier_b] :

It was made in a few weeks, and with the expectations of, maybe, getting a representative in Europe


[14:03:02] Guest[meowy] :

anyone from spain?


[14:03:14] Invitado[javier_b] :

I'm from Spain, meowy


[14:03:25] Invitado[Aulen] :

I think some, meowy :-)


[14:03:35] Guest[meowy] :

whats the view about psoe and podemos coalition


[14:04:04] Invitado[javier_b] :

people don't trust PSOE


[14:04:30] Invitado[furorvlog] :

Pablo Iglesias is the Lenin spanish.


[14:04:44] Guest[Lzelig] :

I have a question, @javier_b are you linked to Podemos in any capacity?


[14:04:46] Invitado[javier_b] :

but they might support each other in a given policy


[14:05:05] Invitado[mitcoes] :

basically it will be arts 23 and 25 of teh Human Rights about work and unemployment (2/3 of 25% 4 over 6M without any money) and debt reduction (almost 60% ballout for banking and not people and work time reduction as Germany Holland and Denmark did to avoid unemplyment


[14:05:06] Guest[meowy] :

well he's not lenin


[14:05:41] Invitado[javier_b] :

I'm an registered voter for Podemos, Lzelig


[14:06:06] Invitado[javier_b] :

and I regularly vote for representants or to agree to relevant questions


[14:06:18] Invitado[javier_b] :

(agree or disagree, I mean)


[14:06:54] Guest[meowy] :

whats he talking about


[14:06:55] Guest[meowy] :

now


[14:06:57] Guest[meowy] :

is spot on


[14:07:37] Invitado[javier_b] :

about the need to build a new majority to change the country


[14:07:58] Guest[meowy] :

the langauge


[14:08:12] Guest[meowy] :

the reason the right is so successful


[14:08:19] Guest[meowy] :

is because it can offer really simple solutions


[14:08:26] Guest[meowy] :

and simple langauge


[14:08:32] Guest[meowy] :

UKIP for example


[14:08:42] Guest[meowy] :

- the problem is europe and immigrants


[14:08:45] Guest[Lzelig] :

@javier_b I am assuming you are traveling with Pablo. it is safe to assume that or you are in Spain?


[14:08:50] Guest[meowy] :

its easy for people to understand


[14:08:51] Invitado[javier_b] :

and they talk to the emotional mind of the voter


[14:09:11] Invitado[javier_b] :

Lzelig, I am in Spain


[14:09:30] Invitado[javier_b] :

I'm not linked in any way with Iglesias or any other relevant member of his team


[14:09:52] Invitado[javier_b] :

Have you read Lakoff, meowy?


[14:10:24] Guest[meowy] :

no


[14:11:08] Invitado[javier_b] :

He talks about how conservatives in USA are able to get the votes even if their policies are against their interests


[14:11:24] Guest[Lzelig] :

Is there anyone on this chat at inside the auditorium at CUNY? I am in a room in a different room because it was packed. Wondering if anybody can carry up a question of mine.


[14:11:25] Invitado[javier_b] :

from a cognitive scientist perspective, and it's all about the language


[14:11:52] Invitado[D1111] :

1.Recover democracy : Citizen rescue plan focused on job creation decent in the countries of southern Europe / Citizen debt audit / Transformation of the BCE in a democratic Institution for the economic development of the countries / Creation of an Public Rating European Agency / Reorientation of the finantial system to consolidate the Banking as a public service / Fuid fscal and transparent exchange of information between all European taxing authorities / Mandatory for all multinational companies and their flials accountability of its activities in global terms and desglosed down by country / Prosecution and tougher sanctions for fiscal crime / Fair tax policy aimed at wealth distribution and the service of a new development model / Sustained commitment to change the production model [a.k. Marshal Plan] by developing a system of Research, Development and Innovation higher value added ... Is this a Real State Program?


[14:12:05] Guest[meowy] :

ill look him up thanks


[14:12:16] Invitado[javier_b] :

I hope you enjoy :)


[14:13:21] Invitado[furorvlog] :

Pablo Iglesias is a communist and say it proud. It must be so.


[14:13:51] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

furor :D


[14:13:55] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

que tal estas?


[14:14:01] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

xDDDDD


[14:14:09] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

te he pillado


[14:15:11] Guest[Lzelig] :

I am venezuelan, I like Pablo, but I am traumatized by the socialism of the XXI century in my country. I am worry about how he will manage the people that think differently in Spain.


[14:15:29] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

talking talking and talking


[14:15:43] Invitado[trenixjetix] :

Lzellg thats the way, talking


[14:15:43] Guest[Lzelig] :

In case he wins


[14:19:18] Invitado[D1111] :

we pretend to dismantle the institutional censorship


[14:20:23] Invitado[javier_b] :

Lzelig, I don't think that Chavez is a model for Podemos


[14:21:12] Invitado[javier_b] :

Indeed, the people can revoke Iglesias or any representative if they behave against the people


[14:21:49] Guest[aaronBurrSociety] :

what steps would he take to make banks work for the people instead of the 1% ?


[14:22:04] Invitado[D1111] :

You are not Spanish... 200 suicides a day... 4 evictions a day, a privatization for week...


[14:22:15] Invitado[D1111] :

We need Chavez


[14:23:02] Invitado[javier_b] :

D1111, which party do you support? PCPE?


[14:25:34] Invitado[Aulen] :

We don't need Chavez, D111, Chavez it's good for his country and his specific conditions. But not for Spain, and Pablo Iglesias say exactly that too many times. Some Chavez ideas could be great, but... modifing for Spain problems.


[14:26:09] Invitado[D1111] :

:)


[14:26:33] Invitado[Aulen] :

:-)


[14:27:31] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Fuck off with Chavez...we are tired of snares and falsehoods


[14:27:58] Invitado[Godfrey] :

everything just not to mention the real problems of Spain


[14:28:37] Invitado[Godfrey] :

Austerity has generated millions of poor, evictions, hunger, misery


[14:28:46] Invitado[javier_b] :

They don't want to talk about Spain, because there aren't arguments to support PP and PSOE policies


[14:29:26] Invitado[Godfrey] :

and are you going to come here and talk about how bad they live in Venezuela?


[14:29:44] Invitado[javier_b] :

It's all like saying "hey, vote us, we're corrupt, traitors and ugly... but Podemos supports Chavez and Pol Pot and Hitler and..."


[14:29:46] Invitado[Godfrey] :

We wanna talk about SPAIN'S problems


[14:29:56] Invitado[Godfrey] :

not as PP nor PSOE


[14:30:29] Invitado[D1111] :

THE ECONOMIC ESCEDENT OF THE INDUSTRIALIZATION MUST GO TO THE WELNESS OF THE HUMANKIND... NOT TO THE POCKETS OF THE CLEPTOCRACY... THE RESOURCES ARE NOT THE ENTERPRISES MONOPOLY. ARE OUR LAST CHANCE TO ACHIEVE EQUALITY.


[14:38:58] Invitado[Aulen] :

The Javier is talking now are you, Javier_B?:


[14:41:11] Invitado[D1111] :

it's easy, nowadays, to make a video of your mother saying Gora Bush


[14:41:42] Invitado[Aulen] :

Yes, D1111 :-)


[14:46:11] Invitado[Aulen] :

Anyone has the link about the youtube video that person are talking??... I could'n find any result searching for "pablo iglesias gora eta" in youtube, and I would like to see that video


[14:47:15] Invitado[slg77] :

because this video dont exist


[14:47:25] Invitado[javier_b] :

What are you saying, Aulen?


[14:47:56] Invitado[Aulen] :

I was asking about something was asking to pablo iglesias


[14:50:02] Invitado[javier_b] :

Are you impying that I accuse Pablo Iglesias of supporting ETA?


[14:50:08] Invitado[javier_b] :

implying*


[14:50:32] Invitado[Aulen] :

Do you speak Spanish, Javier?


[14:50:51] Invitado[javier_b] :

What do you think?


[14:52:01] Invitado[Aulen] :

Perfecto... En absoluto digo nada de eso. Ha habido una persona que le ha acusado de tener un video en youtube diciendo "gora eta". Y Pablo, evidentemente se ha defendido diciendo que era falso. Simplemente quería ver si existía ese video, que seguro que sería un montaje, pero verlo.


[14:52:04] Invitado[Rafael] :

Los únicos/as que dicen que Pablo Iglesias apoya a E.T.A. son los/as fascistas


[14:52:18] Invitado[javier_b] :

Y por qué dices que era yo el que hablaba?


[14:52:58] Invitado[Aulen] :

Solo pregunté al principio de la intervención, porque dió la casualidad que dijo que se llamaba Javier :-)


[14:54:11] Invitado[D1111] :

Promoting nationalism is like asking for a new legislation for an alien planet that still doesn't exist...


[14:54:24] Invitado[javier_b] :

Noooo! No era yo! ;)


[14:55:13] Invitado[Aulen] :

Ya me he dado cuenta, Javier, ya, por cómo "has saltado" ;)


[14:57:24] Invitado[javier_b] :

tú escribes en la Plaza?


[14:57:59] Invitado[Aulen] :

Casi nunca, Javier.


[14:58:04] Invitado[javier_b] :

me sonaba el nick


[14:58:25] Invitado[Aulen] :

pero lo leto todo... o casi :-)


[14:58:51] Invitado[Aulen] :

*leo


[14:59:11] Invitado[javier_b] :

entonces por allí nos leeremos


[14:59:21] Invitado[Aulen] :

Escribo en varios Face de Podemos, eso sí :-)


[15:00:00] Invitado[javier_b] :

son interesantes? o griterío? :)


[15:00:34] Invitado[Aulen] :

hay de todo, pero el griterío lo obvio. O se argumenta... o no tiene sentido discutir :-)


[15:01:25] Invitado[javier_b] :

eso pasa en la Plaza... si entras al trapo con cualquier tontería no te aporta nada


[15:01:54] Invitado[Aulen] :

Claro


[15:02:08] Invitado[javier_b] :

pero me sorprende que el interés por la política se quede en eso, y que no se lean libros sobre política y economía


[15:03:16] Invitado[Aulen] :

Quienes sí los leen, es con los que realmente merece la pena conversar, pues sí tienen argumentos (a favor o en contra, pero argumentos). Aunque... como tú dices, no es fácil dar con ese tipo de gente


[15:03:55] Invitado[javier_b] :

alguna recomendación? ;)


[15:05:11] Invitado[Aulen] :

jajajajaja... dificil cuestión planteas :-)


[15:06:44] Invitado[Aulen] :

Hay personas en twitter "muy interesantes"... muchos presentadores/periodistas de la sexta y muchos de sus seguidores. Ahí sí te puedes pasar las horas leyendo y respondiendo :-)


[15:07:55] Invitado[javier_b] :

En Twitter hablo poco de política


[15:08:15] Invitado[javier_b] :

Mi cuenta personal es también profesional, así que me tengo que automoderar jajaja


[15:08:50] Invitado[Aulen] :

¿a que no se te ha ocurrido hacerte un twitter con un "alter" para expresarte?... jejejejejeje :P


[15:09:10] Invitado[Aulen] :

ahí serías "LIBRE" :-)


[15:09:16] Invitado[javier_b] :

Me da pereza. Y soy de los que se confundiría de cuenta y le cazarían al minuto. ;)


[15:09:36] Invitado[Aulen] :

jajajajajajja


[15:10:34] Invitado[jgomezgarzon] :

Se ha acabado ya?


[15:10:49] Invitado[javier_b] :

sí, ya han terminado


[15:11:17] Invitado[javier_b] :

Aulen, en reddit soy javier-b, por si te apetece pasarte alguna vez y participar


[15:11:38] Invitado[javier_b] :

se agradecerá un poco de debate tranquilo, en vez de discutir sobre los mismos temas una y otra vez :D


[15:11:42] Invitado[Aulen] :

apuntado :-)


[15:12:08] Invitado[javier_b] :

voy a ver si hago la cena


[15:12:09] Invitado[javier_b] :

chao


[15:12:29] Invitado[Aulen] :

Nos vemos Javier :-)


[15:13:13] Invitado[Aulen] :

I'm going to make some dinner too. Have a nice day everybody... Bye


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